The Hampshire Family Historian | Volume 51 No.2 | September 2024

Hampshire Family Historian The

Volume 51 No.2 September 2024

Journal of the Hampshire Genealogical Society

Also inside this Issue 50th Anniversary Celebrations • Should I pack it in? • The Gundry Family of Baughurst

PLUS: Around the groups • Members’ Surname Interest • Research Room

Celebrating the 50th Anniversary of the Hampshire Genealogical Society

Hampshire Genealogical Society

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Telephone: 07769 405195 Email: society@hgs-online.org.uk Website: http://www.hgs-familyhistory.com

PRESIDENT Dr Nick Barratt

OFFICE MANAGER Sue Stannard Email: office@hgs-online.org.uk

CHAIRMAN Tony Sinclair Email: chairman@hgs-online.org.uk

BOOKSTALL Fiona Ranger Email: bookstall@hgs-online.org.uk

VICE CHAIR Kay Lovell Email: vicechairman @hgs-online.org.uk

MEMBERS’ INTERESTS Keith Turner Email: membersinterests@hgs-online.org.uk RESEARCH CENTRE MANAGER Lorraine Whale Email: researchmanager@hgs-online.org.uk EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND TRUSTEES: Phil Brown Terry Gilmour Kay Lovell Ann-Marie Shearer Tony Sinclair Sue Stannard Keith Turner Angela Winteridge Jane Painter Fiona Ranger

SECRETARY Jane Painter Email: secretary@hgs-online.org.uk

TREASURER Position vacant Email: treasurer@hgs-online.org.uk

MEMBERSHIP SECRETARY Terry Gilmour Email: membership@hgs-online.org.uk

GROUP ORGANISERS – See Group Reports Pages

SUBSCRIPTION RATES: ALL MEMBERS £15

EDITOR Stephen Pomeroy Email: editor@hgs-online.org.uk

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Hampshire Family Historian The

Contents

Editorial

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by Stephen Pomeroy Chairman’s Letter

September 2024

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by Tony Sinclair HGS News

Vol 51 No.2 • ISSN 0306-6843

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Surnames Featured in this Issue

Farewell

50th Anniversary Celebrations

Book reviews

Members’ Surname Interests

William Tasker of Upper Clatford

Deadline Material for possible inclusion in the December 2024 Family Historian should be received strictly by 24th October 2024 . All contributions are, however, appreciated as early as possible. The deadline applies to regular features only. Disclaimer The Hampshire Family Historian is the official publication of the Hampshire Genealogical Society. Material is copyright of the Society and may not be reproduced without written permission. The Hampshire Genealogical Society does not accept responsibility for personal views expressed in this publication, or in any articles. Submission of material The editor welcomes articles, feedback, letters or searchers requests for the journal. Text should be typed in black, with illustrations if appropriate. Send to the HGS Office at the address on the inside front cover marked for the attention of the editor. Please enclose a SAE for return of any photos or other items. Items can also be sent by e-mail to editor@hgs-online.org.uk as Word documents. In this case please send any photos or illustrations as separate image files rather than embedded in the document. You can have them in the document to indicate where they should appear or use placeholders. Images degrade when they are imported and resized when embedded. HGS reserves the right to reproduce submissions in publicity materials and on the society website. Please ALWAYS include a telephone contact — and if a member your membership number. To comply with data protection requirements please state what contact details you want printed in the journal or website, e.g telephone number and/or e-mail and/or address.

by Roy Montgomery Should I pack it in?

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by Roma Leon News from the Hampshire Archives

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Portsea Inquest by Roy Montgomery

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The Gundry Family of Baughurst

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by Christine Brooks Local Group Programmes

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Baptism Confusion by Roy Montgomery Membership

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IBC

Golden Jubilee Lectures

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Message from the editor Some of you may have been able to carry out some research if you were avoiding the football, Tour de France and Olympics. You will see in the reports section that some groups are restarting ZOOM meetings so you may be able to join those. There are also some Golden Jubilee talks, see rear cover.

Roma Leon who is one of our early members who has been researching the family for fifty years. There are some mysteries that our members

Thanks to Sue Tindal for proof reading one of this quarter’s article. Other who have offered may be called on for the December issue of the journal. Chistine Brooks has written of her Gundry family moving around the country when she assumed they were from one location and recognising place names in areas you are not familiar with. Trying to fit families together then realising they are not connected. So many of the pitfalls many of us will have has over the years.

may be able to help Roma with. Other than helping Roma there are no specific searchers

items needing assistance. Stephen Pomeroy Editor

For all the latest news visit… www.hgs-familyhistory.com

Membership Renewal If your subscription is due for renewal please see the inside of the back cover

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HGS News

Chairman’s Letter Well! What a weekend that was! I am referring, of course, to Hampshire Genealogical Society’s Golden Jubilee Event over the weekend of July 6th and 7th. I should say, at the outset, we found out the day beforehand that the weekend was going to have to take place without the presence of our President, Dr Nick Barratt, who had been taken ill. Luckily, Fiona Ranger, one of the major planners of the event, spoke to various other well-known contacts of hers to fill the gaps, where Nick was going to speak, which they did most admirably! I am especially grateful to Dr Sophie Kay, Sarah Pettyfer from AGRA, Jackie Depelle and Lorraine Whale, HGS Research Manager, for stepping in at very short notice. After a year or more of planning and preparation, we took over the entire complex at Victoria Halls, Hartley Wintney, for two days of nationally and internationally renowned speakers, each giving presentations on various aspects of Family History research, together with Workshops and “Ask the Expert” sessions for visitors who needed some help and advice. A full Report on the two-day Golden Jubilee Event appears elsewhere in this issue, written by HGS member Sue Decicco, but I just wanted to give you my ‘take’ on the whole proceedings. I had been involved in the planning of this huge event since the Spring of 2023, together with HGS Secretary Jane Painter, Bookstall

Manager Fiona Ranger and HGS Member Sue Wheatley. I

must say, however, that those

three people actually did most of the work in finding Speakers, inviting the

Professional Trade Stands and other Family History Societies. They also brought in others with specialist skills, such as Nigel and Wendy Gossop, who made sure the sound system worked every time someone turned on a microphone! Our delicious lunches were prepared again this year by Andover Buffets. Serving refreshments and supervising the lunch queue each day fell to volunteers from the “Foxlease Ladies”. They looked extremely smart in their orange aprons and were so efficient in supervising the lunches, that many visitors thought they were the caterers! They helped lend a professional air to the whole proceedings. Volunteers assisted throughout the weekend in various roles, including ‘meeting and greeting’, staffing the bookstall, selling raffle tickets and covering car parking duties. I thank each and every one of you.

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As your Chairman, I was so very pleased to see two founding members of the Society present in the audience on the Saturday and to thank them publicly for what they did fifty years ago. I am, of course, referring to Muriel Allen (HGS Member #6) and Clive Colpus (HGS Member #9) – two of the six remaining founding members of the Society from fifty years ago in 1974. I wish to thank Jane Painter, Fiona Ranger and Sue Wheatley for the absolutely enormous contribution the three of them made to ensure that this major event in the life of Hampshire Genealogical Society went off as successfully as it did. However, although I did help to plan and prepare for the event, I would like to point out that I cannot claim the credit for the event happening in the first place. The credit for that falls to another person who was present at the event for both days and that person is our previous Chairman, Paul Pinhorne, who was very ably supported in that role by his wife, Eileen. In 2022 I remember Paul saying that the 2023 AGM / Conference Day at Littleton, Winchester, was going to be a low-key affair because, in 2024, we should consider celebrating our fiftieth year by putting on a bigger event, possibly for two days over a summer weekend. He was convinced we could put on a successful two-day Jubilee Event: it would necessarily cost a lot more to put on and would take a lot of planning and preparation but he felt it was within the Society’s skill set to pull it off.

I succeeded Paul as Chairman in June 2023 and all I did was suggest we took his idea forward to make it a reality – which is what we did. So, thank you Paul for the inspiration. Moving onto the future, there are several items to mention and to remind you of. The first, very briefly, is a reminder that I shall be hosting a Presentation Ceremony during September for the few remaining founding members of the Society from 1974. Secondly, in July, September, October and November, there is to be a series of four online Jubilee Lectures available to all HGS members. Subjects to be covered include techniques to use to help solve your research problems, using DNA to support your research, exploring Victorian fashion through photography and taking a look behind the scenes of TV genealogical shows. Full details can be found on the HGS website. Thirdly, now that the Golden Jubilee Event has passed, HGS Trustees will be concentrating on the three Reviews I mentioned in my June Letter i.e., a review of our merchandising and pricing structure, a review of our membership pricing and a review of our website. More about that will be shared over the coming months. I can also report that, by the time you read this, we may have a newly appointed IT Consultant who will help us make better use of 365 / One Drive / Share Drive. This is so important in an organisation such as ours where, for example, all the Trustees should be able to access all HGS documents, rather than

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individuals keeping various documents saved to their own devices. This person’s services, if accepted by the Trustees, will be provided to HGS free of any fees or charges. One final - new - item is that HGS has, very recently, received enquiries from three new members who are in their late teens or early twenties. One has volunteered to be a Minutes’ Secretary for us but all three are interested in helping the Society to reach out to younger people, maybe by using their contacts in local Colleges and Universities. That information, together with some very interesting views from several members of our Fareham and Winchester Groups, could mean

we have the beginnings of a Focus Group / Working Group looking into future recruitment and retention of new members, especially younger people. This ‘floating of ideas’ arose from our Jubilee Event’s Sunday afternoon discussion around the future of Genealogy. The basic idea is still in its infancy but watch this space - and our website, Facebook and X / Twitter pages - over the coming months. I shall write to you again in the December issue but, as I have said, keep delving into our website and Social Media pages for up to date news and information. With best wishes. Tony Sinclair Chairman, HGS

HGS Local Groups 2024

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Alton

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Andover (Weyhill)

Basingstoke

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Fair Oak Fareham

Fleet and Farnborough (Fleet)

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Gosport Ringwood Winchester

PLUS via Zoom National and International Groups Details later in the journal

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What we do at the HGS Office

It’s now 3 years since we formed our partnership with Hampshire Archives and Local Studies and moved to Winchester from Cosham. Both Hampshire Genealogical Society and Hampshire Archives agree that this was a very positive move. One of the most positive benefits is that we now see many more visitors to our help desk than we received at the old Research Centre in Cosham. Visitors include members of our National and International groups. Most of our current volunteers have joined the team since we moved to Winchester and are now confidently answering research queries, helping with research projects, and processing online sales. Many other volunteers working from home successfully completed the transcription of the Britons Dying Overseas cards earlier this year. Out of the chaos of all those boxes we unpacked during the first few weeks after our move to Winchester we now have a well catalogued reference library. At our Golden Jubilee Event a customer asked for a Portsmouth WEA book that has been out of print for some time. On checking our online refence library I found that we have a copy and the catalogue told me exactly which shelf

to find it on when I was back in Winchester. Due to lack of shelf space much of our reference library is packed away in boxes. So, if you are planning a visit to the Research Room have a look at our online refence library in advance and let us know what you would like to access, we can then get it out ready for your visit. Earlier in the year a HGS member visiting from out of county did exactly that and went away very happy with the information she found about her family. Our sales team meet every Tuesday to process the online orders received during the previous week. Aside from this there is plenty of behind-the-scenes work making sure that we have sufficient stock both for online sales and the bookstall when it goes out to events. If you are visiting Hampshire Record Office you can also purchase CDs, Village Booklets, Alan Godfrey Maps, WEA books and Eve McLaughlin guides by enquiring at the HGS research desk. As always, we are keen to welcome new volunteers so if you would like to get involved, please contact me on 07769 405195 or email office@hgs-online.org.uk Thanks to everyone who has volunteered in

any way over the last three years. Sue Stannard HGS Office Manager

Are you looking for that elusive family history book? Or one on local history? Perhaps we can help – contact Fiona at bookstall@hgs-online.org.uk

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Trevor Smith, member #9235 has sent in two photos of a memorial. On a walk at the Seven Sisters, Sussex, I came across this memorial on top of the cliffs, west Cliff top memorial

of Birling Gap which remembers Captain Norman Cairns Robertson, serving with 2nd Battalion Hampshire Regiment, who died in WW1.

Some of the surnames featured in this issue (with page number) ALLISON . . . . . . . . . . . .82 BATT . . . . . . . . . . . . . .81 BOYD . . . . . . . . . . . . .100 BUTLER . . . . . . . . . .79/83 CAMISS . . . . . . . . . . . .80 CHITTY . . . . . . . . . . . . .71 COTTRELL . . . . . . . . . .83 DIVER . . . . . . . . . . . . .100 GARRINGTON . . . . . . .100 GUNDRY . . . . . . . . . . . .79 HALL . . . . . . . . . . . . . .79 HAMMOND . . . . . . . . . .70 LAWES . . . . . . . . . . . . .83 MATOW . . . . . . . . . . . . .78 OLNEY . . . . . . . . . . . . .82 PACK . . . . . . . . . . . .70/71 PECK . . . . . . . . . . . . . .71 PHILLIPS . . . . . . . . . . .82 PRIOR . . . . . . . . . . . . . .82 PRIRE . . . . . . . . . . . . . .82 SMITH . . . . . . . . . . . . .83 STURT . . . . . . . . . . . . .70 SUMNER . . . . . . . . . . . .71 STOCKLEY . . . . . . . . . .71 TASKER . . . . . . . . . . . .78 WARNHAM . . . . . . .79/83 WELLSTEED . . . . . . . .100

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HGS Bookstall

Events that the bookstall will be attending in 2024. 8th September

Havant History Event – Community Centre, Hayling Island ‘Showcasing Hampshire History’, Queen Elizabeth II building, Sussex Street, Winchester, Hampshire, SO23 8BH

14th September

The Family History Show, Kempton Park

5th October

Oxfordshire Family History Fair, Cherwell School North, Marston Ferry Road, Oxford

26th October

West Surrey Family History Fair Woking Leisure Centre, Kingfield Road, Woking Surrey GU22 9BA

9th November

If you live near any of these venues and would like to help please contact me, we would like to meet you and would appreciate any assistance. Updates to the events can be found on our website. Fiona Ranger, bookstall manager email: bookstall@hgs-online.org.uk If you live in Hampshire and know of an event where we might consider having the HGS bookstall, please let me know.

You can follow us on X at Hampshire Genealogical Society@HampshireGenea2. If you want your meetings or library help desks advertised, we will do this for you on X, X (formerly Twitter)

just email us on the address below. Watch out for our posts and when we are at events, we will include some pictures! Email: liaison@hgs-online.org.uk

FAREWELL Alan Kidgell of Andover

With the deepest regret we wish to inform readers of the death of the following HGS members:-

Member #16029 Alan helped out at our Andover group meetings on the welcome desk and was always there with a smile. He will be much missed.

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HGS 50th Anniversary Celebrations What a great weekend! I have spent the last two days having an enjoyable time in the company of like-minded genealogists, not forgetting the experts in this field. Saturday started with tea, always a good start with what was to be a busy two days.

The keynote talk of the day was an amusing and illuminating talk by Paul McNeil from the TV series DNA Journey. We were entertained by Paul’s tales from the programme and how he began his life in genealogy. After another tasty lunch, Sunday continued with the second set of workshops, this time Caroline Adams on Tips and Tricks for Palaeography vied against Jackie Depelle’s Parish Chest workshop, oh what a difficult decision to make! Throughout the day, there was the added attraction of booking a one-to-one advice session with the five experts, who covered a wide range of topics. The Golden Jubilee Event concluded with a session entitled The Future of Genealogy, which was led by the panel of Sophie Kay, Joe Saunders and Sarah Pettyfer with interaction from the audience. Many areas were covered including the future of family history societies as we know them, to using the local and national archives, and the potential use of artificial intelligence - definitely food for thought.

Our first speaker Dave Annal gave a very interesting talk on Fact from Fiction. Time stands still for nobody, and our speaker Melsia Tomlin-Kraftner took us to The West Indies, to Scotland and finally Africa in her aptly named presentation Routes of Roots in Multiple Diasporas - An Autobiographical DNA Journey. Lunch was fantastic with a buffet and was served by the ‘Foxlease Ladies’. This group raises funds to buy the building and grounds that are being sold off by the Guide Association. A great charity to be involved with. The afternoon’s entertainment began with Mistress Agnes (better known as Janet Few) in authentic costume, relating the history of Tulips, Topiary, Tradecanth and Thyme: seventeenth century gardens. We finished the day with Penny Walter’s thought-provoking talk on Ethical Dilemmas in Genealogy. Throughout the day, other local history societies and national organisations were represented and there were also genealogy supplies companies selling their wares in the two rooms set aside for this. Sunday’s programme was different as we had the choice of workshops in the morning and afternoon. The morning saw the choice of workshops between Joe Saunders staging his workshop Local and Family History and Sophie Kay on her Mapping Alchemy for Genealogists, a difficult decision to make!

Family history societies and exhibitors hall

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– 6th and 7th July 2024

Over 100 family history enthusiasts attended each day. Unfortunately, our president Nick Barrett was unable to join us due to illness This event was meticulously organised, the committee must be congratulated on their attention to detail and their stamina. Well done to all concerned, not forgetting the volunteers.

Since the event several handouts from the talks have been sent to those attending also feedback forms, well worth completing for future ideas for the committee. Sue Decicco HGS Member

HGS Chairman Tony Sinclair and Event Organisers Fiona Ranger and Jane Painter, with Sunday’s keynote speaker Paul McNeil

Attendees at Joe Saunder’s Local and Family History workshop

Sarah Pettyer, Dr Sophie Kay and Joe Saunders leading Sunday’s The Future of Genaelogy session

Saturday’s audience enjoying and engaging with Melsia Tomlin-Kratftner’s talk An Autobiographical DNA Journey

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Book review

a Genealogical Crime Mystery The Deserter’s Tale

by Nathan Dylan Goodwin ISBN 9 798866 987764

This is the tenth excellent book (a Novella) in the Morton Farrier series by the author who is a great writer and genealogist – and now also an educator! It starts off with Morton readying himself for a trip to USA to give a talk at RootsTech and to deliver a case study to a panel of DNA experts, when his mother-in-law and wife suggested he look into the disappearance of one of their ancestors who lived in LA. He made some initial research on him but found nothing in the records! Could DNA help in the research? In the USA he starts off by having a meeting with two police detectives in Las Vagas, Nevada – an opening for another theme in the book, as Nathan always gives us 2 for 1! – before giving his presentations at RootsTech in Salt Lake City, Utah. Nathan’s thorough and detailed writing makes you feel as if you were there with Morton in every step on his journey, which includes a meeting with a previous acquaintance of his which has relevance as the story carries on. Morton does have success in finding more about the disappearance of his wife’s ancestor, getting into the bootlegging era of LA, including meeting up with a relation of the ancestor. Then it is back to UK and home plus a bit of research on the way. We can all relate to that behaviour, can’t we?

Finally, Nathan treats us to what he does best, with a real punch at the end of the story! You will arrive there far quicker than expected, as you won’t be able to put the book down till then! Nathan has once again demonstrated his skill in excellent creative writing, providing an intriguing story to the very end. PS How well up are you on endogamy and any endogamous ancestors? David Broomfield (Member #9363)

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by Nathan Dylan Goodwin ISBN 9 798844 327537 An Investigative Genetic Genealogy Mystery The Sawtooth Slayer

This is the second book in Nathan’s new series, set in the USA, following a female lead character, Madison, running Venator (how’s your Latin?), a small office with three genetic genealogical investigators. The case concerns the murder of four young women whose bodies were dumped in various locations around the city of Twin Falls, Idaho. The 45 chapters of the book cover the investigations in 2020 during the Covid pandemic. When the Detective on the case realises that leads were few and a fifth killing might be imminent, he engages the services of Madison’s team, their first live case, realising that time might be running out. We are taken into DNA, quite deep into matching but interesting, and then with genealogy research. In parallel with this, at very low priority, the Venator staff were looking into the disappearance of their boss’s husband and also their own allocated projects. The tension builds as the teams press on, wondering anxiously if they will get a result before the killer strikes again. Nathan’s thorough and detailed writing makes you feel as if you were following in their footsteps. His attendances in the USA as an Ambassador for RootsTech was obviously beneficial to him in writing this book and, by his subtle writing, brings mention of Mags Goulden (see * below). Nathan’s writing is entertaining and

informative, exceedingly well researched and well written; the best genealogy investigation writer. Once you start reading you won’t want to stop – though that’s what I’ve come to expect from this author. [* Mags Goulden, Genetic Genealogist based in Ottawa with decades of researching family history. Founder of Grandma’s Genes. International Speaker e.g. at RootsTech with Nathan.] David Broomfield (Member #9363)

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Members’ Surname Interests

Members’ Surname Interests Database

Please continue to check the members’ interests webpage at http://www.hgs familyhistory.com/research-resources/me mbers-interests/ for latest details and service updates that will be announced there first. Members’ interests are published quarterly in this journal. There is a restriction in each journal of publishing a maximum of 15 entries per person to keep the journal to a manageable size. Such a constraint does not apply to the database, however, so it is possible to add further interests - within reason! Updates to your surname interests can be made online by following the examples on the page or by post. It is also possible to remove redundant entries, and this is encouraged - deletions are not notified in the journal; they simply won't remain in the database. Updates should be BLOCK printed and submitted in the format used in the following section or as shown on the form on members’ interests webpage. The county Chapman Codes are published at least once in any yearly HFH volume and should be used when submitting interests, e.g. HAM for Hampshire etc. Please note that addresses published in this section refer only to members who have submitted their interests. All enquiries and queries concerning this section should be sent by post to the Research Centre at the HGS Office (address on inside front cover), or go to www.hgs-familyhistory.com/members interests-signup, or by email to

membersinterests@hgs-online.org.uk. N. B. Changes to email addresses will no longer be noted in the journal as many are already obsolete when published. Please contact the HGS Office for a member's current details if you encounter problems But please remember to inform the Membership Secretary (membership@hgs-online.org.uk) of any changes to either your current email or home address. In the following table the interests are in groups with the members details after the names they are interested in. Notes (‘1900’ given as example of ‘date’):

1900 + = after that date; pre 1900 = before that date; c 1900

= circa (about) that date (+/- 5 yrs);

C 20 = xx th. Century; parish a = area around parish

Remember that your addresses are your contact point, so keep them up to date.

If communicating by post remember that an SAE is essential these days, as not everyone has email. Please note that HGS cannot guarantee a response to any enquiry made of a member.

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Members’ Surname Interests

Surname

County Parish

Date span Researcher

Member #

Baird Baker

HAM All

Jo Palmer

14344 16804 15884 15531 15531 16089 16738 16766 15884 16054 16782 16797 14903 14344 16801 16774 15137 15137 16738 15884 10305 16797 16738 16764 13966 16765 16765 16781 16801 16772 14703 16742 16738 16784 Gill

All

All

Chelsea Petersen

Banting Barfoot Barfoot

HAM All

1600-2024Sam Banting

All All

All All

Anne Nolan Anne Nolan

Bennison

HAM Portsea

1700-1850Denise Wood

Biddlecombe All

All

Samantha Woodhall

Bishop

SSX

Brighton

Deborah Jordan

Blackman

HAM All

1600-2024Sam Banting 1800-1950Peter Finch 1700-2024Ella Tanner

Blandy Boxall Bullock Candy Canner Carter

BRK SRY

All

Farnham

HAM Southampton

Benjamin Smith

All

All

1700 + Nigel Candy

HAM All

Jo Palmer

All All All All All

All All All All All

Robert Eldridge Peter Churcher

Churcher

Clegg Clegg

1800-2024Brenda Harfield 1800-2024Brenda Harfield

Cloberry

Samantha Woodhall

Collins

HAM All

1600-2024Sam Banting 1820-1920R M Sherwood

Coombes

SOM Ilminster

Cooper

HAM Wootton St Lawrence

1750-1800

Batchelor

16764

Cotton

HAM Southampton

Benjamin Smith

Courtenay

All

All

Samantha Woodhall

Dicker

HAM All

1750 + Gill Batchelor

Downer

All

Breamore, Fordingbridge, Hale

Valerie Everson

Eddington Eddington

HAM Portsea

1821-1853Michael Holmes

HAM Portsea Island 1821-1853Michael Holmes

Egerton Eldridge

HAM All

Elaine MacGregor Robert Eldridge

UK

All

Fabian

HAM All

1700-1980Peter Fabian Whatley

Frost

All

All

Duncan Frost

Gardner

HAM Portsea

1800-1900Maureen Heap

Hatch

All

All

Samantha Woodhall

Hawkins

HAM Southampton 1700-1900Candy Hawkins

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Surname

County Parish

Date span Researcher

Member #

Hurst Hyde

HAM Hursley HAM Silchester

1700-1980Peter Fabian Whatley

16772 15604 15884 16762 16797 16742 16782 16764 16048 16801 14344 14344 16788 16789 16456 16787 16799 16789 16773 14344 16772 16772 14344 14344 16764 15185 16801 16738 16764 16776 16776 16742 16011 16011 16782

1600-1680Mike Cole 1600-2024Sam Banting 1572-2024Ian Thrower

Jackman

HAM All

Jenvey Kersey Knight

All

All

HAM Southampton

Benjamin Smith

HAM Fareham

1800-1900Maureen Heap 1800-1940Ella Tanner

Lloyd

DEV

Bideford

Longman

HAM St Mary Bourne 1600-1900Gill Batchelor

Lovell Mason

HAM/DOR All

1600-1898William Ord

All

All

Robert Eldridge

Matthews

HAM All

Jo Palmer Jo Palmer

Misselbrook HAM All

Mould , Gill

All All All

All All All

Natalie Peters Michele Murch

Murch

Neal

Val Barbary

North Parker

HAM Crondall

1700-1800Nick Smith

HAM All

Margaret Vidler Michele Murch Caroline Sharp

Pattenden

All

All

Payne Pearce People People

HAM All HAM All HAM All HAM All HAM All HAM All

Jo Palmer

1700-1990Peter Fabian Whatley 1700-1990Peter Fabian Whatley

Pickernell Primmer Redgrove

Jo Palmer Jo Palmer

HAM Basingstoke

1750 + Gill Batchelor

Rooke

All

All

George Sandy

Saunders Shepherd

HAM Hambridge

Richard (Dick) Saunders 14330

All All

All All

Robert Eldridge

Silly

Samantha Woodhall

Smallbone

HAM All HAM All HAM All

1700-2000Gill Batchelor 1700-1850Kim Moore

Snow Snow

Kim Moore

St Ledger

HAM Portsmouth

1800 + Maureen Heap

Tagg/Teague All Tagg/Teague All

All All

1760-1980Alan Tagg 1760-1980Alan Tagg

Tanner

SRY

Walton-on-Thames1700-2024Ella Tanner

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Members’ Surname Interests/Member’s Article

Surname

County Parish

Date span Researcher

Member #

Tatford

HAM All

Jo Palmer

14344 15562 16784 16797 14344 14344 16456 16782 16802 13710 13710 16764 16784 16781 16781 14344 15185

Terry

HAM Portsea

Evelyn Buchanan

Thring Tinling

HAM Southampton 1700-1900Candy Hawkins

HAM Southampton

Benjamin Smith

Titheridge

HAM All HAM All

Jo Palmer Jo Palmer Val Barbary

Treagus

Troke

All

All

Trusler

SRY

Farnham

1700-2024Ella Tanner

Twynam HAM Lainston, Sparsholt

1770-1880Tim Beanland up to 1924Diana Miles up to 1924Diana Miles 1500-2024Gill Batchelor 1800-1870Candy Hawkins

Waldron Waldron

HAM All HAM All HAM All

Wigg

Williamson HAM Portsmouth

Woodnat/Woodnot

All All

All

Elaine MacGregor Elaine MacGregor

Woodnutt

All

Wren

HAM All

Jo Palmer

Zebedde

All

All

George Sandy

William Tasker of Upper Clatford

William TASKER of the Tasker foundry married Elizabeth the daughter of farmer William MATOW in Pitton WIL on 22nd April 1829. They lived at Upper Clatford where they raised their family starting with William who was born on 24th November 1830 and was baptized 1st May 1831 in the Andover Independent Chapel in East Street Andover. The next child was Robert who was born on 23rd January 1833 and baptized on 9th February 1834 followed by Ann who was born

on 3rd February 1836 and baptized on 17th July 1836. Completing the family were Louisa who was born in 1838, Elizabeth who born in 1839, Matilda who was born in 1842 and finally Henry, who was known as Harry, was born in 1847. With the family being non conformists all the baptisms took place in the East Street chapel. William died in 1872 to be followed by Elizabeth in 1877. Roy Montgomery Member #3759 Source :- Ancestry.co.uk

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Member’s article

Should I pack it in? I have just received my copy of the June 50th anniversary journal and realised that I may be a very early member of the Hampshire Family History Society (Member #377) and that I have reached a less happy 50th anniversary in my own family research. I like to think of myself as an active family researcher, both of my own families as well as countless family trees in my home village of Ditchling Sussex, where I research for Ditchling History Project. It was while doing one of these trees the other day, when I galloped back to the 1600s without any difficulty, that I realised that what I need is someone to help me get past the blockage in my tree that I have had for the past 50 years. In my defence I haven’t been actively looking all that time, work, my own family commitments etc have stopped me for years at a time, but nevertheless it is a sad state of affairs that in my maiden name tree of the PACK family, I have been stuck in the 1700s for all that time. What I need is someone who knows the area well and who could cast a fresh pair of eyes on my predicament, and I can’t tell you how grateful I would be for the help. Stephen Pomeroy’s article in the June issue struck a chord with me. When I first started researching, it was just as he described. As a penniless student I’d have to get myself up to London or down to Hampshire to look at records, I even remember visiting the vicar of Farley Chamberlayne who still had all the parish registers at his home. Nevertheless, I progressed steadily and methodically

backwards from Sussex to Gosport and then to the Hursley area, a generation at a time and careful not to make any assumptions. Without too much difficulty I reached the head of the family John PACK of Kings Somborne, who married a widow called Mary STURT nee HAMMOND on 5th July 1741 at Michelmersh and there I have stuck ever since! Mary’s first husband William STURT , a baker, was buried at Michelmersh in November 1739, leaving her with a son John but sadly he too died aged just 3. After their marriage John and Mary PACK had 6 or 7 children together: Richard baptised on 17 Mar 1743/4 at Timsbury Elizabeth baptised on 24 Nov 1745 at Timsbury Mary baptised and buried at Michelmersh in 1747, when John was shown as ‘of Braishfield’ Another Mary baptised 11 Jun 1749 at Kings Somborne William baptised 10 Oct 1752 at Kings Somborne And Moses my 4th Great Grandfather baptised 11 Apr 1756 also at Kings Somborne They almost certainly had another son Samuel who married and brought up his family at Farley Chamberlayne, dying there in 1819. Through HGS I met one of his descendants, John Pack of Southampton, and we collaborated on our trees for many years but were never able to find his baptism and therefore categorically prove we were related. Oh for DNA in those days.

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I have also never found John’s burial, although there is a record at Over Wallop (see more above) on 13 Apr 1755 but it is quite clearly PECK not PACK . This might just about have given him a chance to father my Moses who was the last child and baptised in April 1756, if his widow Mary was slow to get him christened. Mary died in 1766 or 1769 in Kings Somborne, the alternative record presumably being her daughter. So what else do I know about the head of the family John? Well nothing else for certain and as I mentioned I don’t like to make assumptions. I know that an Ann PACK wife of John PACK of Kings Somborne was buried at Houghton on 2 Mar 1739/40, so perhaps John had been married before. I also have two apprenticeship records which might I hope relate to my John: 8 Mar 1718/19 John PACK son of Mary PACK of Lower Wallop was apprenticed to Thomas SUMNER of Upper Wallop, cordwainer, for the term of 7 years for a premium of £5. However Thomas SUMNER died in 1720. STOCKLEY another cordwainer, of Kings Somborne for 7 years for the premium of £2. 2s but with no information about his parent. It seems likely that these are for the same person. If these records are right, it brings my John to the area, but there is a long gap from the end of his apprenticeship in say 1726 until his marriage to Ann if this was him. It would also suggest that his mother Mary might have been A second record shows a John was subsequently apprenticed to William

a widow. There is a record of a baptism of a Samuel PACK on 4 Jul 1693 in Nether Wallop, son of Samuel and Mary, but nothing in the same area for my John that I could find. There is one final record that may be a clue: On 6 Apr 1719 a Mary PACK of Lower Wallop married Edward CHITTY of West Tytherley at Kings Somborne. I have over the years literally searched in ever increasing circles around these parishes discovered is in the Christchurch and Milton areas but there is no proof of any connection except that they were yeoman farmers and could have afforded the apprenticeship fee and they did use the name John but then so did half of the population. I would be so grateful for any help anyone could give me – I would love to solve the mystery of who John was after all these years. While on the subject of being grateful and a 50 odd year connection to the Society I should say I have HGS to thank for a very long standing friendship – in the early days of membership you were encouraged to show what help you could give to others and my offer of help with Sussex records introduced me to Jan Ross who lived in America, we remained friends until her untimely death several years ago but the connection is maintained through our daughters who grew up together. Roma Leon Member #377 looking for PACK records. The only concentration of PACK records I have

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News from the Hampshire Archives

Hampshire Record Office News

The public service is open Tuesdays to Thursdays, 9.30am to 4.00pm with document ordering available from 9.30am to 12 and 1pm to 3pm each day. Our remaining Saturday opening in 2024 is 5 October, same opening times. We will also open on Saturday 14 September for Heritage Open Day, see more details in the Events section below. For the most up to date details of our public service, including any last minute changes, check our website at www.hants.gov.uk/librariesandarchives/a rchives/visit-us . We will be welcoming Ancestry back in September to digitise our holdings of cemetery registers. These will be added, in due course, to our probate, parish, and Methodist records which are already available online. We also have a new accessibility page on our website to highlight access facilities for those with disabilities or for those who like to familiarise themselves in advance of a first visit, see https://www.hants.gov.uk/librariesandarc hives/archives/visit-us/accessibility Accessions Hampshire Archives. Recent additions include: Personal, family and estate records Wherwell Priory deeds: deeds and related documents concerning the Wherwell Priory estate, 1693-c1800 (45A24 awaiting cataloguing) Nether Wallop lease: lease of Old Lodge, Nether Wallop from Poore Ltd to Major E Rickards, 3 Mar 1913 (55A24)

Clark of Blackfield, diaries: pocket diaries of George Clark of Blackfield, 1938-1969 (28 diaries); diaries believed to be of Ivy Clark (wife of George), 1941 and unidentified (Shelia Clark?), 1963 (59A24) Deeds of White Lyon Inn ( later Leather Bottle Inn) Mattingley: deeds relating to the White Lyon (Lion) Inn, Mattingley, later known as The Leather Bottle, 1740-1813; will of James Hulford of Mattingley, 1762-1782 (62A24) Winchester Apprenticeship indenture: apprenticeship indenture of Lancelot Abel of Weeke, Winchester, arranged by the Natives Society, 27 May 1898 (64A24) Yorke family of Sydney Lodge, Hamble: household expenses book of Captain Joseph Yorke, 1800-1806; inventory of china and pictures at Sydney Lodge, 1886; inventory of property of the Dowager Countess of Hardwicke at Sydney Lodge and list of books, 1888; sale catalogue of Sydney Lodge, Hamble, 1924; copy court rolls, manor of Hamble le Rice, 1793; papers relating to the building of Sydney Lodge, including abstract of bills, 1796-1790, payments for work done, 1793-1794 and letter from John Soane, 1798; papers of Sir Joseph Yorke, including sketches and watercolours of ships, 1790s, naval certificates, 1791-1830, Bursledon Bridge certificate, 1815, correspondence, 1809-1828; epitome of will and codicils of Rt Hon Charles Earl of Hardwicke, 1872; correspondence of the Dowager Countess of Hardwicke; statement of executors account of the late Countess of Hardwickes estate, 1887; extracts of OS maps showing Sydney Lodge, 1909; family correspondence, 1914-1948 (66A24

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awaiting cataloguing) Clubs and Societies

those already in 96M96), as follows: Boyatt Wood WI: committee meeting minute books, 1982-2021, monthly record books, 1982 2021, reports, programmes and financial statements 1989-2021; scrapbooks, 1988 2012; Woolton Hill WI (96M96/218): Photo albums and scrapbooks, 1988-1997 (5); Kingsclere WI(96M96/55): programmes, 1918 1953; Test Valley Group: Group Meeting minutes, 1955-2014; annual reports and financial statements, 1986-2015; Alton Group: Group Meeting minutes, 2005-2010; financial statements, 2008-2014; Hart Group: Group Meeting minutes, 2010-2012; Romsey Group: Group Meeting minutes, 2011-2014, summary of annual reports and financial statements, 1989-2012, financial report, 2013; Lymington Group: Group Meeting minutes, 1989-2014, summary of financial statements and annual reports, 2011-2012 and financial statements, 2002-2010; Bartley Group: Group Meeting minutes, 1998-2012, financial statements, 2015-2019, newsletters, 2012; Brockenhurst Group: Group Meeting minutes, 1990-2013, financial statements, 1992-2012; Hamwig Group: financial statements, 1992-2012; Twyford Group: scrapbook, 2006; Farefield Group, minutes and notbook, 1999-2002 Suspended WIs (collections already deposited at HALS), as follows: Wickham WI (41A13): programmes, 1922-1939, annual reports, 1920-1984; Headley Woodlands WI (53M94) annual/presidents reports, 1940-1993; Everton and Lymore WI (34A02) WI book, 1965-2022; Sparsholt WI (3M98); financial statements, annual reports, programme, VCO reports, 1988-2020, questionary, 1949; Sherfield On Loddon WI (107M95);

Langley Women’s Institute: committee minutes and records of monthly meetings, 2019; financial statements, 2006, 2009, 2012, 2014-2018; scrapbooks, 1980-2020 (147A13) Copythorne Women’s Institute: committee meeting minute books, 1999-2007 (2 vols) and loose minutes, 2007-2019; record book of monthly meetings, 2002-2007 and loose minutes of monthly meetings, 2007-2019; programme cards, [1937-1937], 1960-2022; copy photograph of Copythorne WI quilt; scrapbooks on the following topics: Birthday Celebrations, 1959-2021, Copythorne Show Days, 1958-2019; Covid-19, 2020; Centenary Celebrations, 2017; Carnival entries, 1970s 2019; Events through history, [1947-2022], 2022; Aspects of Copythorne WI history; WI in the Community, 2005-2025; Exchanging ideas with other WIs, 2012-2022; Aspects of Copythorne WI history, 2002-2023 (62A07) Shipton Bellinger Women’s Institute: committee minute books, 1935-1972, 1975 1991, 2011-2026; record books of monthly meetings, 1935-1948, 1953-1973, 1975-1988, 1990-1991, 2009-2016; programme cards, 1960-2010; scrapbook, 1977-1993; press report books, 1975-1988; copies of letters from Gloucester WI, Australia, 1998 (54A24) Hampshire County Federation of Women's Institutes: scrapbook for Meonstoke, Exton and Corhampton Women's Institute, 1952 1986 (96M96) Hampshire County Federation of Women's Institutes: additional records of suspended WIs and WI groups (new HALS collections and

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scrapbook, 2016-2018; Bashley WI (38A13): committee meeting minutes, 2006-2021, monthly meeting record books, 2002-2020, scrapbooks, 2006-2019 (3), programmes, 1991-1999; Micheldever WI (38M97): committee meeting minutes, 2004-2021, monthly meeting record books, 2004-2021, scrapbooks, 2008-2021, programmes, 1934 2020, reports and financial statements, 1997-2020, formation document, 1918, questionary, 1949, byelaw, 1917; Odiham WI (83M98): committee meeting minutes, 2016 2019, monthly meeting minutes, 2018-2021, programmes, 1970-2000, historic paperwork, 1918-1976 and questionary 1949; annual reports, 1992-2019 and financial statements, 2017-2021; Charlton WI (12A01): committee meeting minutes, 1984-2021, monthly meeting minutes, 1984-2017, scrapbooks, 1984-2020 (11), financial statements, 2017-2021; Bishops Waltham Group (119A01): Group Meeting minutes, 2008-2019, financial statements, 2018-2019 (96M96 awaiting cataloguing) Hampshire County Federation of Women's Institutes: annual reports, 1978-2019; Hampshire WI News, 2015-2023; Miscellaneous papers (see list) including Rhinefield Drive Project, 2000-2006; Autumn Council Meeting including speeches and minutes, c1964-2012 and Spring Council, c1975-2013; Produce Guild News, 1955-1958; service booklets, 1978-2008; annual accounts, c1956-1970; HCFWI Festival of Drama, 1967; papers relating to Hampshire WI Markets, 1979-1996 and Hamble Market minute books, 1981-1995; minutes from the following committees,, c1960s-2017 (see list), Income Generating meeting, Public Affairs and International sub-committee, Leisure Activities sub-committee, Yearbook committee, Creative Arts sub-committee, Produce sub-committee, Produce and Home Economics sub-committee, Trading Post sub

committee, Sport and Leisure sub-committee, Art and Craft sub-committee, Music and drama sub-committee, Organisation sub committee, The Associated Country Women of the World sub-committee, Public Affairs and International sub-committee, Office and Finance meeting minutes; HCFWI record of resolutions passed at Spring and Autumn Council Meeting, 1919-2004; deposit account books, 1919, 1984; historical documentation and questionarys on various Hampshire WIs (see list), c 1918-1992; Wash Day slide presentation produced by Dibden Purlieu WI, 1983; Three photo albums of HCFWI 75th anniversary, 1993; HCFWI albums recording events 1940s-2004 (2); albums for the centenary Baton Relay, 2015 (3) and Staunton Group Handover, 2015 (2) (51M97 awaiting cataloguing) Eastleigh Southern Parishes Older People's Forum: constitution and charter, equal opportunities and mission statements; minutes and agenda of committee meetings; annual reviews and newsletters (complete sets); research papers with minutes of researchers' meetings (mainly about housing and accommodation); surveys and questionnaires issued by the group (blank), with guidance on interview techniques; texts of speeches given by Diane and David Andrewes, and details of conferences attended; newscuttings. (68A24 awaiting cataloguing) Photographs and postcards Nick Turnbull photographic slides: colour 35mm photographic slides of landscapes, houses and gardens in north and north-west Hampshire and the surrounding area, taken by Nicholas Robert Turnbull FRCVS, 1950s-70s (42A24 awaiting cataloguing) Neville Stanikk slides of Hampshire: colour slides by photographer Neville Stanikk of

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